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Hillary Clinton’s natal chart: is Scorpio rising? Or Cancer?

Just found an excellent Astrology blog with a post by Chris Brennan concerning Senator Hillary Clinton’s natal chart with its disputed time/s of birth:


The current Venus-Saturn conjunction (5Vir+) has taken place on the Midheaven of this Scorpio rising chart which would give her this midpoint picture:

Venus/Saturn = MC: reserve; irritability; being unsatisfied in love; separation; inhibited desires; the urge for solitude; feeling unimportant, or never successful enough.

Transit Saturn will be returning to this degree into July 2008. Saturn to MC (Aspirations; Career and Public Status Point) is for most people when their career is going swimmingly and busily, and more responsibilities may be taken on. Hmmm.

That’s IF Saturn’s lessons in the past have been well-heeded…otherwise, it’s restrictions, suppressions, and being held accountable for past mistakes. She’s been that of late on her congressional voting record, hasn’t she?

Clinton’s proposed Scorpio rising chart (Oct 26, 1947, 8:02 am, Chicago, IL) makes more sense to me than some others that are out there, so let Chris show and tell you about it if you wish!

>Update Jan 1, 2013: finally adding here that I’ve settled on an 8:01 or 8:02 PM natal horoscope for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton primarily because of its 00Cancer Ascendant and 10th house Moon @29Pis+…near the Aries Point of prominence, fame, and recognition. jc

Written by Jude Cowell

October 16, 2007 at 6:40 pm

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  1. yes thanks, Brenda and carlita–am working on her progr’d chart of late along with many others. Will be using the 8 pm chart for Sen. Clinton. Have you read my article on the 2009 Sec Moon Phases of the candidates? ;p



    February 22, 2008 at 10:16 pm

  2. I read that she was born near breakfast time in an interview of her mother… what does that mean??? can you do a comparison chart of her and Obama? Can you do a progressive chat and see who has the best ‘power’, stability for the years to come???



    February 22, 2008 at 6:48 pm

  3. Can anyone progress her chart to see if she will win the election?



    February 18, 2008 at 7:23 pm

  4. Thanks for your insightful comments! You’re intimately familiar with Scorpio energy all right.

    Yet I don’t want the Clintons back for many reasons–one is that we’ll never hear the end of the GOP gall against them and America has way too many problems to be diverted from important issues as before…or to have more moola disappear down bogus rabbitholes bwo congressional investigations and such.

    And you KNOW it would.

    Plus, in my hearts of hearts I know that no matter which “side” one votes for, the globalist shill will be the one installed once again–‘the agenda’ must steam ahead and they have no intention of giving up the game with their long-sought end in sight.

    Still they won’t keep me home from the booth–so I’ll vote for anyone but another republican…in fact, if a ragmop gets the nomination. I’ll vote for it.

    jude ;p



    February 14, 2008 at 1:21 am

  5. Quite frankly as a Scorpio (sun) Scorpio (rising), I think it is not required to have a sense of “trusting” Hillary. Honestly, don’t trust her, that is fine, but just vote for her.

    We, Scorpios, are fiercely loyal creatures. America is a Cancer (July 4) and we know that Cancers and Scorpios are wonderful blends. If anything our loyalty translates into possessiveness and jealousy. Not a positive, but allow me to spin this.

    She wants power. So the next four years will be great because she wants re-election. She wants a legacy, so the following four years will be great. If anyone, any country, or non-state actor interferes in that process…then SO help them, God. First, they are stepping in the path of a Scorpio’s mission, and second, they would be risking harm on the US, which Hillary sees is her protectorate and something on which she places her loyalty. You do not step towards a Scorpio’s friend in hostile manner because you’ll learn his or her wrath. Hell, you don’t step towards a Scorpio’s foe in a hostile manner because he or she wants the right to strike first.



    February 13, 2008 at 6:38 am

  6. Thanks, V!

    I proposed this as a different chart based on another blogger’s work, as cited.

    AstroDataBank uses 8:00 pm cst which gives 29Gem12 rising, MC 5Pis07, 10th house Moon–also at critical degree: 29Pis12–which is, of course, conj Aries Point of prominence and fame.

    Kit Boehrer confirms 8 pm and says she’s used it for years since before Bill was pres. with good results. 8 pm is the one I generally use as well.

    AstrodataBank does say 8:00 pm is ‘DD” for unverfied/conflicting.

    A Chicago Sun Times article implied ‘early morning’, and Frances McEvoy’s 1998 article in Horoscope Mag has Hillary’s mom saying that she was born “in time for breakfast.”

    So that’s why I’ve not published HRC’s chart–others have ad nauseum and there are so many to choose from, and although I enjoy rectification work, I don’t have time for it! ;p

    Thanks again for commenting, Jude



    January 15, 2008 at 5:11 pm

  7. You may want to do alittle more research on the time of Hillary Clinton’s birth. I have found 3 sites with her time of birth at 8:00pm not 12:00pm. This brings her rising sign into late Gemini. Totally different picture. Fasten your seat belts, we’re in for a bumpy ride.


    J. Vantine

    January 15, 2008 at 3:01 am

  8. No disagreement here! Thanks for your comment, retro. jude



    November 20, 2007 at 7:44 pm

  9. As much as I’d like to see a woman president, I don’t trust Hillary as far as I can throw her.



    November 20, 2007 at 3:16 pm

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