Barack Obama Aug 4, 1961…7:11 pm
Senator Barack Obama, Aug 4, 1961 Honolulu, Hawaii, newly uncovered birth hour: 7:11 pm AHST
By now you’ve heard that astrologer Joni Palfrey announced ‘7:11 pm’ as Barack Obama’s correct birth time at the UAC Conference in Denver this week, garnered from a client with campaign connections.
Perhaps the disclosure was okayed by the candidate himself!
Please click to enlarge the chart and read the midpoint pictures if you wish, two of which sit upon his Mc, the Goals/Aspirations/Career/Public Status Point of the any chart. The third picture listed is pointing to natal Uranus 25Leo16 in 7th house of Partnerships, and more fully it’s:
Sun/Pluto = Uranus: carrying out fanatic reformes without regard for oneself; sudden adjustment to new circumstances; new individual perspectives; rebellion.
7:11 pm AHST in Honolulu gives his birth as occurring during a Mars Hour, suitable for Martian things, and although technically his Uranus/Pluto midpoint doesn’t hit exactly upon natal North Node, a point of connection to the public, it has by progressions, so we see:
Uranus/Pluto = NN: untiring colleague; teamwork pays off but one’s own ego is put first in line; desire to accomplish immense tasks with others; sharing upsets or excitement with others.
Also around the outside of this chart you see US natal Neptune 22Vir25 and its link to Obama’s natal Mars (his perceived ‘rockstar status’ as the media calls it) and which may be called ‘activating (Mars) America’s ideals and dreams (Neptune.)’
This is, of course, part of his massive appeal–along with his inspirational orating abilities (see: “Mercuries of the Candidates: Barack Obama”)–plus, there is another glamorous Neptunian connection–his natal Neptune 8Sco36 conjuncts US natal ASC in the Scorpio Rising chart. Those with Neptune in Scorpio have magnetic appeal galore and often a dreamy sexiness.
As you see here, the 7:11 pm birth time gives Obama an Aquarian ASC–just as I had wondered out loud about previously–his Abe Lincoln-esque ears gave him away for me since the ASC tells about the physical body, and Lincoln has 00AQ+ Rising–and 00AQ+ conjuncts Obama’s natal Jupiter.
Natural politicians tend to have 12th house placements (which describe their unconscious arrogance) so we see that his out-of-sign conj of Saturn, strong in its own sign of Capricorn (sign of government, politics, law, and business) is in 12th house with his Aquarian Jupiter, a placement I have discussed here previously.
An AQ ASC means that Saturn is chart-ruler, or if you prefer using outer planets as rulers (I don’t), Uranus becomes chart-ruler. Still, this makes Uranus tres important in his chart and life, and Uranus in 7th can bring loss through opponents and public contests esp if nearby Pluto in Virgo so desires–and transiting Saturn (Hillary? or someone else in the Dem Party?) has been playing about with Obama’s Pluto of late.
Now having your chart-ruler in 12th house and Rx isn’t such a helpful thing, but Obama’s situation is mitigated by having protective Jupiter there as well–the two societal planets together, a strong indication of ambition and determination toward success.
Yet Saturn in 12th house indicates secret enemies working for his downfall, and the headlines tell us this week that 2004’s “Swiftboaters” are now on his case and intend to “viciously attack” him. (Hope his 12th house Jupiter softens the results of their dirty tricks.)
After I saw this chart for 7:11 pm, you know I was soon viewing composites of it with the US Sco Rising chart, and the Inauaguration 2009 chart (Jan 20, noon, DC.) The composite of natal with the Inaugural chart was disturbing–an 8th house full of planets in Scorpio.
Other composite chart factors were worrying as well, and I have stated before that if Obama does gain the White House–and chart indications are that he could if The People have their way–he may not finish the full 4 years. Sometimes you like to be wrong, and I prefer that this be the case–for his and for America’s sake.
Another Jan 20, 2009 indication is that his natal chart has the Sun/ASC midpoint conj Inaugural ASC 14Tau, and his fortunate Jupiter/NN midpoint 14Sco05 is opposite and thus conj Inaugural DESC.
But perhaps the strongest link for any candidate indicating success in gaining the office of US president is having planets in the 24-28 degree range of Leo or AQ–opposite or conjunct US natal Moon (The People.)
(And the US Scorpio chart’s ASC link with his idealistic Neptune–although it may turn out to be disillusioning or full of loss–is an indicator of potential success as well, tenuous link though it may be.)
As you see, Obama has Uranus and NN within the 24–28 range in Leo which places his SN conj US natal Moon in 1st house of Self.
Will this help him win the Democrat’s nom and perhaps White House tenure?
Moon/SN links have karmic implications and a wrong-place-at-the-wrong-time flavor along with bad timing issues. To me this supports my misgivings that he would be able to complete his term in the Oval Office if elected–and it may also weaken his prez case with the American people.
OR….Moon/SN could simply mean that he reminds us of someone from our nation’s past–a previous president such as Abe Lincoln or JFK! What do you think?
Stay tuned, m’peops, for I intend using this particular 7:11 pm chart “going forward” as the politiicans are so inordinately fond of saying, and will give more credit to what I discover as the campaign year proceeds.
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Elsa Said:
on May 20, 2008 at 5:16 am
You state, that Obama could reach the White House if The People have their way. “The People” appear to be evenly divided. Even the Kennedys are half with Hillary and half with Obama. The Edwards appear also divided. Some say that atrology is dependent on man’s will and fate. Could be the the majority of “The People” (51-48%) will not choose Obama. .It is a close race.
judecowell Said:
on May 20, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Thanks, Elsa, you’re right.
My ‘The People’ comment was based on the number of Americans turning out for Obama rallies vs Clinton rallies–and I’m no fan of polls because they can be skewed by the way questions are asked. Then there’s that last second in the booth when voters’ choices can turn on a dime in spite of all they said before….
Gary C Said:
on May 21, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Maybe the large 8th house stellium in the composite Inauguration chart may refer to the massive transformations and the death of the ‘old way’ of doing things in DC, which he plans on doing.
‘Twould be nice! I’m sure it also would refer to the massive debt mess that bush will leave him!
judecowell Said:
on May 21, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Thanks, Gary–woo! I sincerely hope you’re correct.
But isn’t that where Astrology flummoxes most non-practitioners? That there are so many levels it describes (life being complex and all) that it takes all one’s study AND intuition to figure out what a chart is saying and on which level.
Astrology is not at fault–I blame my own limitations.
And the sign Scorpio and 8th house are so intense and deep that the composite’s full 8th house could point to ‘all of the above,’ couldn’t it?
Guess I got a bit stung by Bush’s Inauguration 2001 chart with its Moon, Pluto, and Chiron in 8th house and we see the death, destruction, and financial corruption and loss that his presidency has led to (esp since the Moon represents the People in a national chart. So thanks, neocons–you’re all fearmongering piles of merde, imho.)
:p
Montserrat Ribas Said:
on May 28, 2008 at 12:31 pm
I’m an astrologer from Barcelona and I must say lots of us have felt HOPE when we’ve seen Obama, but also: is he too bright a star? you are a wonderful people but let’s face it… you have lots of dark characters too, and M. Luther King, the Kennedys, Lincoln, all of them came to mind. I do hope the 8th composite chart is “the death of the old way”, as Gary C says.
I was in a little place in Mali last time, in front of a TV that didn’t work well, surrounded by Africans and a British couple. We all held our beer mugs, wanting to celebrate Bush’s downfall… and we just couldn’t believe it when he won again. Yes, even in darkest Africa people were appalled… we said we (non-USA citizens) should be allowed at least half a vote, whoever your president is makes such a difference in the whole world! If Obama wins, not only I’ll celebrate, but will think of those Malinese, this time with big smiles on their faces.
Thanks a lot, Jude, and right now I’m going to check his Draconic chart and use all my tools of the trade… GOOD LUCK THIS TIME, USA!!
judecowell Said:
on May 28, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Thanks you So Much, Montserrat, for your good wishes! I wish the same to all good peoples around the world and sheepishly apologize that “”Bush happened.” (But if not him, it would’ve been another neocon globalist shill.)
America–and as you say–the whole world is in a pickle and the more I study these things bwo of Astrology and otherwise, the more I fret for the world because of the social tinkerers without which war would seldom (if ever) erupt.
Yes, Senator Obama has the talent to lead if given a chance but I only wish the powers-in-charge would stay home from their world domination meetings and councils, busy themselves enjoying their obscene amounts of wealth, and leave the rest of us alone to live our lives in peace.
I too hope Gary C is correct about the composite 8th house between Obama’s natal chart and the Inaugural chart of Jan 20 2009…hope is in the air and on the campaign trail–but is it in “the cards”?
As you may know, there are those who work unceasingly to create the chaos. loss, and misery we have today and it seems that they hold the cards in their claws.
That dupes cooperate with them so readily should be no surprise since ‘jumping on the bandwagon’ is common for those who see their ‘main chance’ to line their pockets and align themselves with the ‘winning’ team.
They have a different defintion of the word “winning” than I have, that’s for sure!
jude
judecowell Said:
on May 28, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Meant to add–let me know, if you can, about your Draconic chart results–it’s a method I have worked with in the past and think much of yet there’s little time to add to my current pile-up of Things To Do!! ;p
denise Said:
on June 5, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Hurrah for Obama and the Democratic nomination! I, too, am concerned for Obama’s welfare. He indeed is a very bright star and hope for tomorrow. Has anyone mentioned his natal Mars in the 8th? I believe JFK and Marilyn Monroe both had this in their charts.
Aquarian Moon Child Said:
on June 5, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Hi Jude,
I just discovered your website, in my search for more details regarding Barack’s real birth time. Thanks for the info. I am an amateur astrologer, and would like to put my two cents in on this scorpio thing.
To remind everyone that their are three levels of scorpion energy, representede by three different animal symbols. The first of course is the scorpio ( base energy i.e.coming coming out of the premortial ooze), the second the Eagle, ( soaring the the heights of Spirial Awareness*, and the transformative ( Kalli?) energy of the Phoenix, rising from the ashes. * Anyone wanting more info on this Stephen Walter Sterling’s book Tarot Awareness, published by Llewllyn Pub, 2000, is great. So, combining all the emphasis in the USA chart ( by the way is it the peoples chart or the governments chart?) could it be that Scorpio Hillary is climbing out of the Ooze, Barack is the Eagle showing US the way forward and the country’s kamic due is the structures ( money, etc) colapsing is the Phoneix to be reborn again. Always a difficult transformative process.
May 19th 08′ Barack was “adopted” by the Crow Nation ( America indians in Montana and the Dakotas) and given the name BLACK EAGLE, see website crowtribe.com for public pics and description of private ceromony
ROCK ON and LONG LIVE,
BARACK BLACK EAGLE….taking the United States of America, a Democratic Republic to new heights.
judecowell Said:
on June 7, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Aquarian Moon Child! (do you have a nickname?) ;p
Thanks for your comment and for the info, esp about the Crow Nation–I had heard of Obama’s new ceremonial name but had not had a chance to follow up on it.
I’ll be interested in checking out the link you provide, thanks a bunch!
Scorpio, eh?
Obama’s n Scorpionic Neptune is conj the ASC of the US Scorpionic natal chart, one which perhaps you’ve used as the primary US natal chart–or for clandestine activities and organizations only. It’s the chart closest to Ben Franklin’s monetarily enshrined testimony with Independence Hall’s clock pointing to 2:21 pm (LMT, of course.)
Hmmm….not a comforting prospect for those who are concerned for his safety on one level (secret service protection better be on firmer ground than a Nep/ASC link can provide), and
on another level, spiritual links and social service abound esp with his Chiron in self-sacrificing Pisces–which is perhaps another fret flag. jc